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Male and female need to be dissociated from gender norms. That is it.

but it is undeniable

But, for those with the typical trans mindset, it is likely to affect their tulpas too.

You're not a hermaphrodite Excuse you

Lol

12:14 AM

I got that term right, right? Sexually, both sexes?

anything's possible when your body is imaginary

Yes. I meant what I said.

anyways

Hey, there's something I wasn't thinking of.

12:15 AM

Hence the disclaimer.

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but if you are, then you are.

12:15 AM

I was just speaking about normal humans, not tulpas.

12:16 AM

Anyways, continuing the important follow up to what I said - you are who you are, followed by "if you're male you're male" could be taken wrong.

12:17 AM

If you're male you're male, female female, unbelievably rare natural hermaphrodite then so you are.

I mean, I used to use female forms but now I'm pretty much using guys now. I don't think gender is a big issue in my situation, as I've always been a bit tomboyish. According to people close to me, my personality is interchangeable between both genders, so technically I'm the most androgynous tup here.

What matters is who you are, though.

12:17 AM

If you're male, you're not female, unless you manage to physically change that.

12:17 AM

But you can act like a ""female"".

12:17 AM

If that's you being yourself, your stance should be that that's who you are, regardless of sex.

12:18 AM

This idea that people can accidentally be the wrong gender screws with the entire community. People under that pretense almost always have it screw with their tulpas too.

12:18 AM

That's why a tulpa can be "trans" instead of just changing form. (Yep, I meant to be on topic this whole time)

12:18 AM

If they're under that mindset, then they will have to deal with the perceived consequences of changing their gender.

I always assumed the core driver of being trans was a strong sense of wrongness that a person is trapped within the wrong body.

In that case it's a real thing, more or less.

12:19 AM

Aside from your sexuality not agreeing with what you feel your sexuality should be somehow, which I'm not sure that's often a thing, I don't see that being the case.

12:19 AM

Trans people often believe their gender identity implies they should be the other sex.

12:20 AM

Or, if they're honest with themselves and such is the case, they just wanted to be the other sex in the first place. That's different I suppose.

12:20 AM

What I'm saying is they should stop associating gender identities with sexes. Be yourself. Tell people yourself is who you are. Stop telling them you're female/male when you're not.

12:21 AM

Still on topic though, I swear.

12:21 AM

The refusal of my suggested mindset in place of the problematic one is what causes trans tulpas to experience the same thing.

12:21 AM

Tulpamancy is very belief based after all.

It would make us better off if we were the other biological sex. It's less the idea we "should" be and more the idea that we would actually be comfortable with our bodies that way

Jeez, we're really grinding on the edge of being off-topic and on topic.

If that's the experience they want to have, and subconsciously it may be, then it's not problematic.

12:22 AM

Clo, problem is where the basis of a "trans tulpa" lies.

12:22 AM

I can't just say trans people have a problem and leave it at that, lol.

12:22 AM

Very rude and even worse off topic in 2 minutes.

To be honest, I feel like "trans" tulpas are hosts projecting themselves onto their characters.

12:22 AM

But perhaps I'll delete that in a moment.

I don't think it's the host projecting themself. I think it's the host's beliefs affecting the whole system.

Both, perhaps. I'm not sure.

Well, it could be.

12:23 AM

But hopefully the former is less common than the latter.

The whole idea of tulpamancy tends to rely on the idea that things can be going on in your head beyond one's control. I believe, for a tulpa to be trains, that their form should lie in that region of the mind, as does their identified gender. A trans tulpa would not have a form as a normal tulpa does, which is subject to simple change, if that would make sense?

I've never met a trans tulpa before, there was pretty much no such thing around the time I was created.

tulpa to be trains

Couldn't help but chuckle at the typo.

I think the vast majority of trans tulpa are trans in "cultural identity" rather than actually "being" trans.

12:24 AM

Hey, I got trains on the mind

If the host's perception of themselves are skewed, it might skew the tulpas mindset as well, yes.

I've never met a trans tulpa before, there was pretty much no such thing around the time I was created. They do sound rare, don't they? But they're not. Look for trans hosts. I wasn't kidding when I said there's a massive statistically significant connection.

@Clo that is such a bad take

Or it is possible that a trans tulpa could be trans in the context of the host's body, rather than the tulpa's form

12:25 AM

there would be a lot of trans tulpa in that case

As I explained, it's a way of thinking. Beliefs. Problematic ones. Easily shared among the entire mind.

12:25 AM

So many of our beliefs and ways of thinking are shared with Lucilyn despite the fact that, if she were never part of our system, she'd think nothing like us.

Or it is possible that a trans tulpa could be trans in the context of the host's body, rather than the tulpa's form Not really unless the tulpa actually made the body transition

when the host is thinking about gender identity it causes everyone to reconsider theirs

I don't think that's the case, unless if the tulpas are willing to do the same.

it makes gender something that can be questioned in the internal culture

Whoops, I'm quoting that too. Or it is possible that a trans tulpa could be trans in the context of the host's body, rather than the tulpa's form It shouldn't be called trans, unless the tulpa becomes the new host and actually transitions. It's simple body dysphoria, an extremely common problem among tulpas of the opposite gender who learn to switch.

a tulpa isnt its form tho strictly speaking

I do not rank being trans as something which is cultural. If it were purely cultural, than I do not believe it deserves the recognition it has gotten to this point. To make it cultural, I believe, is to make it lesser.

it isn't, but it's the thing a lot of tulpas closely identify with

Oh. And pony tulpas.

12:27 AM

etc.

12:27 AM

Sorry, but I do believe it's cultural. 90% minimum.

12:27 AM

Recently, anyway. The last 10-20 years.

Yep, plenty of tulpas with nonhuman forms feel odd when possessing the body

i never felt odd about using the body

I began possessing more regularly when I got a human form

The cases of "actually trans" people are much lower in ratio than they once were, people who legitimately have body dysphoria without the cultural aspect of gender being involved.

I believe there have been studies that have found very physical links between mental states and being trans.

I can't help but smile at visualizing Akagi possessing.

but then i was being pretrained for possession via martial arts association long before i was conscious

Uh. I'm no longer on the topic of tulpas, though.

12:28 AM

Fair warning this time.

If we're going off tulpa-related discussion, we should take it to #lounge or #general-chat . If it's still on the subject of tulpas or somewhat still related to it, we can continue here.

Gender identity is typically part of someone's core identity most of the time. It's just that in tulpamancy places a lot of weight is placed on core functions like memory, thought and personality that it isn't apparent. A lot of people see things like social status, nationality, gender ect as a core part of what defines them.

didnt you know clo? swords just use humans to slay other humans

I don't have a particular interest in continuing the subject, I said all I wanted to. Take it to #general-chat if you don't plan on talking about the tulpa aspect anymore, though.

12:30 AM

Oh, we did kill lounge. Oh well.

i think tho with tulpas alot of trans gender identity stems moreso from a "i want to be this" then a "feeling of wrongness"

12:31 AM

your host makes you into this cute waifu

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you want to be this cute waifu to please them

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ect

A karate chop would be a slice. It's fun to think about.

Dear lord the idea of a host making a cute waifu tulpa who just wants to be a guy is horrifying.

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Here's what I'm thinking rn If someone is trans then that means they're brain's gender doesn't conform to their body's gender, leading them to more closely identify with and think of themselves as the opposite gender. If these feelings are strong enough and persist long enough etc, that'll lead them to work to change their body to pass as the gender they most closely identify as, making them trans. Mentally, if they are a woman then they are a woman, and their body is a "transwoman." If a tulpa more closely identifies with the gender opposite to the one they were created to be, then all they'd really have to do is change their name/form/pronouns, and they're set. If they want to be a man now, then they're a man. There's really no need to put "trans" on it. (edited)

that's one thing hosts really need to not do when making tulpas, try to force them into a particular role like that

i think thats kind of rare, i think its much more common for a tulpa to legit want to be something that would make the host happy, its a mutually beneficial thing and all

12:33 AM

the real horror is the sheer impossibility of actually achieving it 100%

@Srn347 this

[Well, sometimes I wanna be a man sometimes a women and I can make it happen. So trans?]

nah i dont think theres anything wrong with having a role like that

[Also I am forced into a male body when I switch] (edited)

That's a very interesting alternative ideal. No or shifting genders is totally possible, and that could very well be trans

why dont people just allow their tulpas to form in whatever way they want

people have their lots and life and a purpose can be as much a good thing as a bad